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	<title>Comments on: McKinleyville Gets Cypress Grove Goat Dairy – August 10, 2011</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Claudia, no rezoning there, thank goodness.

The MCSD posted a list of potential rezone parcels on their Web site
http://mckinleyvillecsd.com/sites/mckinleyvillecsd.com/files/County%20Rezoning%20Plan.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, no rezoning there, thank goodness.</p>
<p>The MCSD posted a list of potential rezone parcels on their Web site<br />
<a href="http://mckinleyvillecsd.com/sites/mckinleyvillecsd.com/files/County%20Rezoning%20Plan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mckinleyvillecsd.com/sites/mckinleyvillecsd.com/files/County%20Rezoning%20Plan.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: claudia myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>claudia myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian, No apology necessary!  I thought maybe they had rezoned us and I missed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, No apology necessary!  I thought maybe they had rezoned us and I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hawaii County General Plan revision regarding agricultural land use
http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/general_plan_rev/revision/Land%20Use%20-%20Agriculture.doc

Hawaii County uses strong language regarding the importance of agricultural expansion and adjacent residential issues. Comparisons exist although Humboldt is not at this level of production.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawaii County General Plan revision regarding agricultural land use<br />
<a href="http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/general_plan_rev/revision/Land%20Use%20-%20Agriculture.doc" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/general_plan_rev/revision/Land%20Use%20-%20Agriculture.doc</a></p>
<p>Hawaii County uses strong language regarding the importance of agricultural expansion and adjacent residential issues. Comparisons exist although Humboldt is not at this level of production.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.arcataeye.com/2011/08/mckinleyville-gets-cypress-grove-goat-dairy-%e2%80%93-august-10-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-34359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Claudia, I apologize for the bad estimate. The parcels on the south side of the Dow&#039;s Prairie parcel are 5.5, 4, 3.9, 1.8, 1, and 0.9 acres.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, I apologize for the bad estimate. The parcels on the south side of the Dow&#8217;s Prairie parcel are 5.5, 4, 3.9, 1.8, 1, and 0.9 acres.</p>
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		<title>By: claudia myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>claudia myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In the case of Dow’s Prairie, the county has zoned nearby parcels for rural residential housing with 1.5-3 acre lots.&quot;

Really? -- my property is adjacent to this 38 acre parcel and our neighborhood is 5 acre minimum.  Are referring to the properties north of the 38 acre site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the case of Dow’s Prairie, the county has zoned nearby parcels for rural residential housing with 1.5-3 acre lots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? &#8212; my property is adjacent to this 38 acre parcel and our neighborhood is 5 acre minimum.  Are referring to the properties north of the 38 acre site?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When government entities facilitate conflict resolution regarding Right To Farm statutes, it sometimes entails a property owner&#039;s abuse of Right To Farm statutes for the purpose of building a subdivision. Take the case of the owner of a New Jersey training track turned horse farm who leased land to horse boarders and other livestock (incubator?) tenants only to simultaneously clear-cut woodlands, truck in soil, and acquire subdivision permits:
http://www.nj.gov/agriculture/sadc/rtfprogram/conflictres/formal/rtfdecskudera.pdf

The owners of the Gilardoni parcel were trying to transfer their parcel ownership to a responsible enterprise. The owners must have thought this was the right thing to do as ag property owners. What will the owners do now? Unfortunately for those with any ideologically-based objections, it is still the right of private property owners to make their own decisions.

It personally saddens me that some loud Arcatans are so blinded by media depictions of massive feedlots and overflowing chicken sheds that they forget about what elements constitute the continued principled use of our landscape&#039;s resources. Humboldt&#039;s dairy farmers need the help of local people, not distrust or disdain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When government entities facilitate conflict resolution regarding Right To Farm statutes, it sometimes entails a property owner&#8217;s abuse of Right To Farm statutes for the purpose of building a subdivision. Take the case of the owner of a New Jersey training track turned horse farm who leased land to horse boarders and other livestock (incubator?) tenants only to simultaneously clear-cut woodlands, truck in soil, and acquire subdivision permits:<br />
<a href="http://www.nj.gov/agriculture/sadc/rtfprogram/conflictres/formal/rtfdecskudera.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nj.gov/agriculture/sadc/rtfprogram/conflictres/formal/rtfdecskudera.pdf</a></p>
<p>The owners of the Gilardoni parcel were trying to transfer their parcel ownership to a responsible enterprise. The owners must have thought this was the right thing to do as ag property owners. What will the owners do now? Unfortunately for those with any ideologically-based objections, it is still the right of private property owners to make their own decisions.</p>
<p>It personally saddens me that some loud Arcatans are so blinded by media depictions of massive feedlots and overflowing chicken sheds that they forget about what elements constitute the continued principled use of our landscape&#8217;s resources. Humboldt&#8217;s dairy farmers need the help of local people, not distrust or disdain.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.arcataeye.com/2011/08/mckinleyville-gets-cypress-grove-goat-dairy-%e2%80%93-august-10-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-34306</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, I would like to see some conflict resolution policies other than just relying on Right To Farm as that statute proved ineffective in Arcata. This situation is remarkably similar to Ukiah&#039;s issues with a slaughterhouse for their grass-fed beef with some people feeling the need to not only be unwavering from their original opinions, but to come up with more theatrical dialogue when their positions were challenged.

For the GPU to address this edge issue effectively, there needs to be mechanisms in place to gauge a parcel by the incompatible uses present on its surroundings. In the case of the Gilardoni parcel, that decision was already made by the county due to the incompatible uses. Rezoning was then blocked by the influence of Arcata. I am in agreement with the spirit of what Arcata&#039;s politicians did in taking the unconventional stance of preserving ag zoning on the parcel. I disagree with the lack of formal mechanisms to deal with the inevitable disputes. Without conflict resolution, Arcata&#039;s position and the county going along with this position are just words.

In the case of Dow&#039;s Prairie, the county has zoned nearby parcels for rural residential housing with 1.5-3 acre lots. There is no question as to the character of Dow&#039;s Prairie with all the sheep and crop growing activity there. Historically, there was no question as to the character of the Arcata Bottom either, it was expected that dairy operations would be expanding even with the threat of urban encroachment.

I think the GPU is on track as far as addressing open space. I do not think land use issues which pit ag and residential interests against each other are solved by Right To Farm statutes. Call me a skeptic, but I hold the opinion that the local smear campaigns with their uncompromising labelling of humane, profitable long-term ag production as &quot;factory farming&quot; will eventually result in more multi-family homes and associated sewer lines. I just don&#039;t see the end result being new farm business in the form of the Bloomfield newsletter&#039;s promotion of so-called &quot;land-based agriculture.&quot;

As to the odds of the same people participating in the GPU as participated in the smear campaign, I would say that likelihood was sufficiently demonstrated by their attendance during the last open space meeting at the county courthouse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I would like to see some conflict resolution policies other than just relying on Right To Farm as that statute proved ineffective in Arcata. This situation is remarkably similar to Ukiah&#8217;s issues with a slaughterhouse for their grass-fed beef with some people feeling the need to not only be unwavering from their original opinions, but to come up with more theatrical dialogue when their positions were challenged.</p>
<p>For the GPU to address this edge issue effectively, there needs to be mechanisms in place to gauge a parcel by the incompatible uses present on its surroundings. In the case of the Gilardoni parcel, that decision was already made by the county due to the incompatible uses. Rezoning was then blocked by the influence of Arcata. I am in agreement with the spirit of what Arcata&#8217;s politicians did in taking the unconventional stance of preserving ag zoning on the parcel. I disagree with the lack of formal mechanisms to deal with the inevitable disputes. Without conflict resolution, Arcata&#8217;s position and the county going along with this position are just words.</p>
<p>In the case of Dow&#8217;s Prairie, the county has zoned nearby parcels for rural residential housing with 1.5-3 acre lots. There is no question as to the character of Dow&#8217;s Prairie with all the sheep and crop growing activity there. Historically, there was no question as to the character of the Arcata Bottom either, it was expected that dairy operations would be expanding even with the threat of urban encroachment.</p>
<p>I think the GPU is on track as far as addressing open space. I do not think land use issues which pit ag and residential interests against each other are solved by Right To Farm statutes. Call me a skeptic, but I hold the opinion that the local smear campaigns with their uncompromising labelling of humane, profitable long-term ag production as &#8220;factory farming&#8221; will eventually result in more multi-family homes and associated sewer lines. I just don&#8217;t see the end result being new farm business in the form of the Bloomfield newsletter&#8217;s promotion of so-called &#8220;land-based agriculture.&#8221;</p>
<p>As to the odds of the same people participating in the GPU as participated in the smear campaign, I would say that likelihood was sufficiently demonstrated by their attendance during the last open space meeting at the county courthouse.</p>
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		<title>By: kevpod</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevpod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just so mad at those bullshit artists. Why they would choose wet animal poo as a medium in which to fulfill their smelly artistic visions is incomprehensible. 

Anyway, maybe the neighbors will now participate in the county General Plan Update so as to distinguish between the types of agriculture they consider permissible on the adjacent land. What do you suppose the odds are of that happening?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just so mad at those bullshit artists. Why they would choose wet animal poo as a medium in which to fulfill their smelly artistic visions is incomprehensible. </p>
<p>Anyway, maybe the neighbors will now participate in the county General Plan Update so as to distinguish between the types of agriculture they consider permissible on the adjacent land. What do you suppose the odds are of that happening?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar Bozo, what particular aspects of the proposal cause you to use derogatory terminology? Humane guidelines are to be followed, so no animal mistreatment. Nutrient management certification is sought, so no pollution. These things appear to constitute the opposite of what is inferred by your terminology. 

Perhaps you can shed some light on the non-bullshit artist viewpoint. What is appropriate use for our landscape? Appropriate at the urban-ag edge? Why do you think it is that some communities live peacefully with farming while others (i.e. Monterrey, Arcata, Ukiah) have broad objections?

Mind that you don&#039;t have to type as if you are yelling to join this conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar Bozo, what particular aspects of the proposal cause you to use derogatory terminology? Humane guidelines are to be followed, so no animal mistreatment. Nutrient management certification is sought, so no pollution. These things appear to constitute the opposite of what is inferred by your terminology. </p>
<p>Perhaps you can shed some light on the non-bullshit artist viewpoint. What is appropriate use for our landscape? Appropriate at the urban-ag edge? Why do you think it is that some communities live peacefully with farming while others (i.e. Monterrey, Arcata, Ukiah) have broad objections?</p>
<p>Mind that you don&#8217;t have to type as if you are yelling to join this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Solar Bozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solar Bozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you will find that folks in housing developments next to ag lands really ARE amenable to ag uses. Just not factory farms next door. That is NOT a subtle difference as some bullshit artists infer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you will find that folks in housing developments next to ag lands really ARE amenable to ag uses. Just not factory farms next door. That is NOT a subtle difference as some bullshit artists infer.</p>
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