CARE Cap To Stymie Exploitation By Pot Growers – April 26, 2012

Thursday, April 26, 2012

Daniel Mintz

Eye Correspondent

CALIFORNIA – The enrollment of some indoor marijuana growers in low-income energy assistance programs is being targeted by a state bill and county supervisors are supporting it.

Senate Bill 1207 is being considered by state lawmakers and it puts a cap on electricity and gas usage under the California Alternate Rates for Energy (CARE) program, which allows power price discounts for income-eligible customers.

The bill would allow the Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and other companies to require proof of income if power usage exceeds 400 percent of baseline consumption. If use exceeds 600 percent of the baseline for over 120 days, participants in the program can be cut from it.

When County Administrative Officer Phillip Smith-Hanes briefed the Board of Supervisors on the bill at its April 17 meeting, he recalled last fall’s presentation by Peter Lehman of the Schatz Energy Lab at Humboldt State. Lehman had talked about “the spike in energy usage in Humboldt County that appears to be related to indoor growing of marijuana,” Smith-Hanes said.

Lehman had also told supervisors that PG&E inadvertently enables the power glut by enrolling growers in the CARE program. He had suggested that PG&E establish a cap on the amount of power customers in the program can use.

Based on what they’d heard, supervisors supported previous state legislation on capping CARE energy use – but it used a different technique, based on a kilowatt per hour standard.

Allison Talbot, PG&E’s government relations staffer, said that although the 400 percent of baseline standard “seems a little large,” her company is backing the bill.

“The problem we face, as you know, is that under the current enrollment and verification system, fraud is easy to accomplish and current laws and regulations tie our hands from those found to be abusing the intent of the program,” she told supervisors.

PG&E wants to continue access to the program for customers who are eligible, Talbot added, but also wants to “address the loopholes that that easy access creates.”

The variety of reasons for higher power use was explored by Supervisor Clif Clendenen, who asked Talbot how the 400 percent standard was determined. Talbot said a PG&E specialist has offered to give a presentation on it and supervisors said they’d like to hear it.

Clendenen said age and health status can affect power usage. “I know, after my dad had had a stroke, how hot he had to have the house, even with blankets on his lap,” he told Talbot. “There’s a lot of energy used to take care of somebody in a medical situation.”

Recalling Lehman’s presentation, Supervisor Mark Lovelace said that “while 400 percent may seem high compared to the baseline, the amount by which some of these grow houses are exceeding that is phenomenal – we’re talking not just four times, but 30, 50, 100 times.”

Still, Lovelace said he’s “curious to hear a little bit more explanation on that number.”

Supervisors unanimously agreed to write a letter of support for SB 1207.

 

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139 Responses to “CARE Cap To Stymie Exploitation By Pot Growers – April 26, 2012”

  1. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – You said "for profit" indoor grow. As far as I understood, these places are supposed to be non-profit. Is that not the case?

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  2. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – You said "for profit" indoor grow. As far as I understood, these places are supposed to be non-profit. Is that not the case?

    #63366
  3. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – You said "for profit" indoor grow. As far as I understood, these places are supposed to be non-profit. Is that not the case?

    #65868
  4. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – You said "for profit" indoor grow. As far as I understood, these places are supposed to be non-profit. Is that not the case?

    #66291
  5. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – You said "for profit" indoor grow. As far as I understood, these places are supposed to be non-profit. Is that not the case?

    #66465
  6. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #62867
  7. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #63068
  8. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #63367
  9. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #65869
  10. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #66292
  11. Kevin Hoover

    They're not supposed to be, and the City and police are fine with medical grows. But then you get industrial grow houses like this one with 220 pounds of cannabis, 27 lights and on the CARE program, being subsidized by the neighbors who have to put up with a stinky factory in their 'hood.
    http://wp.me/p10Hr0-1kD

    #66466
  12. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #62868
  13. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #63069
  14. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #63368
  15. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #65870
  16. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #66293
  17. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – Stinky factory, c'mon brother…crops have no real smell until the last few weeks just before harvest, and then not really a stink. Just admit that you're anti marijuana and want to control others.

    #66467
  18. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #62869
  19. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #63070
  20. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #63369
  21. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #65871
  22. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #66294
  23. I live two houses down from the linked house and never even knew that they were growing there. I personally like the smell, also. I don't think Kevin is being anti-marijuana at all here, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he occasionally used it. I think both of us are being anti-abuse-of-programs-meant-for-low-income, which is (again) what this article is about.

    The bottom line is that working people are paying extra money to subsidize rates for people that possibly make as much or more money than them. The honorable thing to do, if you grow for profit, would be to pay the full rate for electricity. However, the producers' greed will never allow this to happen.

    #66468
  24. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #62870
  25. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #63071
  26. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #63370
  27. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #65872
  28. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #66295
  29. Joseph Tolman

    Brandon Merrill – Yep, travesty that. Is this a common occurrence?

    #66469
  30. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #62871
  31. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #63072
  32. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #63371
  33. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #65873
  34. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #66296
  35. Kevin Hoover

    Yeah, what Brandon said. I'd add that like so many others, the police were notified of that Lewis Avenue grow house by annoyed neighbors. These people call me too, complaining about grow houses, trash houses, party houses, car repair houses, and most recently, a yak house.

    Nuisance abatement doesn't make anyone anti-pot, anti-party or anti-yak control freaks. Arcata folk are generally laissez-faire about these things until it is taken to a destructive extreme. That's why citizens demanded that the City adopt its cannabis enforcement policies, and why, as has become customary, they were thanking the police as they humped out the grow installation.

    #66470
  36. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #62872
  37. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #63073
  38. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #63372
  39. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #65874
  40. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #66297
  41. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – It is nothing more than a way for prohibitionists to try and exert control, to force their way onto others.

    #66471
  42. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #62877
  43. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #63074
  44. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #63373
  45. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #65875
  46. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #66298
  47. Kevin Hoover

    Joseph, I wonder, is it impossible for you to simultaneously hold in your mind these two concepts: that cannabis should be legal and that factories don't belong in residential neighborhoods?

    #66472
  48. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – The term 'cottage industry' comes to mind. Calling a dog a factory doesn't make it a factory, just like calling a house a factory doesn't make it a factory. Use a little common sense and tell me why factories aren't allowed in residential areas. Heavy pollution, heavy road use, danger to nearby houses and businesses, those are reasons not to allow a factory in a neighborhood. Would any of those things come with a grow house? No, sorry.

    #63075
  49. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – The term 'cottage industry' comes to mind. Calling a dog a factory doesn't make it a factory, just like calling a house a factory doesn't make it a factory. Use a little common sense and tell me why factories aren't allowed in residential areas. Heavy pollution, heavy road use, danger to nearby houses and businesses, those are reasons not to allow a factory in a neighborhood. Would any of those things come with a grow house? No, sorry.

    #62878
  50. Joseph Tolman

    Kevin Hoover – The term 'cottage industry' comes to mind. Calling a dog a factory doesn't make it a factory, just like calling a house a factory doesn't make it a factory. Use a little common sense and tell me why factories aren't allowed in residential areas. Heavy pollution, heavy road use, danger to nearby houses and businesses, those are reasons not to allow a factory in a neighborhood. Would any of those things come with a grow house? No, sorry.

    #63374

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