This Year’s Timber Harvest Mostly From Forest’s Remote Corners – May 21, 2012

Monday, May 21, 2012

The two locations in the Arcata Community Forest where logging is planned. City of Arcata graphic

Kevin L. Hoover

Eye Editor

ARCATA – China and Belize featured prominently in discussion of Arcata’s forests at last Thursday morning’s Forest Management Committee (FMC) meeting. So did less exotic locales, including the bedraggled 80-acre tract of forestland known as the Forsyth property, located east of Humboldt State. It’s been aggressively logged over the years, not quite in keeping with the standards the City of Arcata follows with its sustainable management.

That parcel, now up for sale, is also heavily used by students and illegal campers. All things considered, it’s not on the City’s shopping list. “We’re not that eager for that property,” said Mark Andre, Environmental Services director.

Other forest properties with more habitat and Ridge Trail value are on the wish list, though. This week, City and state officials plus professors with Humboldt State’s Forestry Department will tour a 950-acre property in the upper Jacoby Creek watershed. While the City isn’t interested in it, Humboldt State is considering using it as a nearby research forest to augment forestry studies.

The City is seeking a $220,000 Community Forestry grant from the Dept. of Agriculture for acquisition of the last remaining link in the Arcata Ridge Trail, a five-acre parcel known as the Humphry Property located just north of Fickle Hill Road on the Ridge Trail.

Quality of life indicators

City departments are being asked by the Community Development dept. to supply “quality of life indicators” to help measure progress in their respective areas of interest.

Since they dwell in the minutia of forest management, FMC members discussed various arcane and technical metrics that might serve as indicators. Committeemember Lowell Diller suggested a big-picture goal that would be recognizable to the average user who doesn’t have a technical background.

“I think it ought to be focused on things people actually experience when they go out in the forest,” Diller said.

The committee decided that a “vibrant, healthy ecosystem” would be one goal, with supporting sub-goals including data derived from a Forest Stewardship Council audit, documenting improvements in water quality, tree volume and sustainability.

“The general well-being of citizens and the environment, that’s one of our key responsibilities,” noted Committeemember Danny Hagans.

Chair Russ Forsburg said that data on APD forest ranger presence would be helpful in ensuring continued funding for that position.

A second goal is the quality of the forest experience, with supporting details regarding public safety, miles of trails and acres of land protected.

The indicator of a healthy ecosystem is “not just for flora and fauna, but for human beings,” Forsburg noted.

This year’s harvest

Arcata harvests its forests on a stringently sustainable basis to fund projects and acquisitions which protect habitat from subdivision development. Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested, and multiple sensitive areas, such as riparian zones, are off-limits to logging. Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail at FMC meetings and during field trips, down to individual trees and how they may be removed without scuffing others. Arcata was the first to gain Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) certification for sustainable management.

All this ethical scrupulousness doesn’t help much, though, when citizens see loaded logging trucks chugging forth from the Community Forest, which many mistakenly assume is a no-cut tree preserve. In the past, outraged but inattentive citizens have held protests over “secret” harvests which had been well publicized in advance via newspaper stories, including maps of harvest areas, and public meetings.

Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset when on witnessing harvests. One, for example, demanded that the City gain approval for its forest management practices from Earth First! in advance of any harvest.

The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students unfamiliar with Arcata’s forest management practices, sometimes having to educate them individually when they show up at FMC meetings as to what went into the decisionmaking.

The harvest planned for this summer could inspire more complaints than usual, as part of it takes place at one of the main entrances to the forest – off Trail 9 near Fickle Hill Road. That’s the one Andre termed the “most dramatic unit.”

Thinned in 1981, it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it. Part of the tune-up will involve removing hazard trees on Fickle Hill Road.

Four other harvest areas are in the “back end” of the forest, and less noticeable. One is the recently acquired Schmidbauer property, where, as is usually the case with harvests, old legacy problems will be corrected. These include eroding old roads plus installation of culverts and bridges. Two others are small patches in the Jacoby Creek Forest.

About 500,000 board feet will be harvested, 200,000 of which is “left over” from last year’s planned take, as early rains ended logging operations. Andre said that at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year in Arcata-held forestlands, and the City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet under its Non-Industrial Timber Management Plan.

Revenue from the harvests will depend on logging and other costs. The lumber market has been miserably depressed for years, discouraging extensive logging. Now, while “not tremendous,” according to Andre, it is recovering and should help fill the Forest Fund.

Bids for the logging will be opened this week. Arcata’s FSC cerification is attracting loggers who want to be associated with it. Mostly redwood and Douglas fir will be harvested, though one load of spruce will go to Arcata’s Almquist Lumber.

Andre said revenues will help develop the segment of Ridge Trail in the Community Forest’s north end. It will be graded, shaped and coated with rock for proper drainage.

Sister forest

City Councilmember Mark Wheetley briefed the FMC on a nascent proposal made by Ron Samuels of Marimba One to create a sister forest in Belize. Wheetley said the marimba maker has approached local conservation groups and the University of Belize about establishing one outside Punta Gorda.

Environmental laws in Belize are not as well developed as those in the U.S. and Arcata, and with the Chinese now purchasing whatever is available, no questions asked, environment-damaging logging is taking place.

Committeeemember Lowell Diller wonder what the incentive would be if the locals can simply “cut and run and sell to the Chinese.”

Wheetley said that only a few are profiting from the indiscriminate logging, and that the Chinese involvement is akin to rapacious logging that took place under British colonial rule in the 1950s. “Here we go in the next wave,” he said.

“The reefs are going away, the birds are going away – people are pissed off,” Hagans said. “We could bring a lot to the table. We’ve got lots of expertise here to maximize economic return and protect forest values.”

A lengthy, fact-finding field trip to the tropical paradise was suggested, a proposal readily embraced by Chair Forsburg. “We should take the whole team and spend a month down there to set it up.”

Andre said he has discussed the idea with HSU President Rollin Richmond to solicit the university’s possible involvement.

Marimba One declined comment on the sister forest idea for the time being.

Cannabis damage

It was noted that while Humboldt might have help to offer Belize, local forests are also suffering serious damage – from illegal cannabis plantations.

The committee had been asked to support Assemblymember Wes Chesbro’s legislation, AB 2284. The bill establishes additional fines and penalties for violations of the Fish and Game Code related to cultivating cannabis on public lands.

Committeemember Jack Naylor said that a steady procession of trucks can be seen on Highway 36, carrying soil amendments up into illegal cannabis plantations.

Forsburg was skeptical of involving Arcata, since it has nothing to do with community forestry. Andre said the bill doesn’t hinge on Arcata’s support.

56 Responses to “This Year’s Timber Harvest Mostly From Forest’s Remote Corners – May 21, 2012”

  1. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #63457
  2. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #63603
  3. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #63610
  4. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #67244
  5. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #67694
  6. I'm far from what anyone would ever call a tree hugger, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm reading this article and I read…

    "Never is more than a small fraction of the annual growth harvested" and then…
    "Areas to be logged are decided in excruciating detail" and then…
    "Eco-conscious Humboldt State students have at times been particularly upset" and…
    "The City has been repeatedly frustrated by fresh waves of students", and then my fav…
    "it will be lightly logged or “tuned up,” as Andre puts it."

    And then I'm seriously thinking how horrible it is that all these citizens just don't understand, I mean, a small fraction, like 2% of annual growth or something, and I'm all thinking, "yeah, bad annoying idealistic uninformed students/hippies getting in the way of a tree tuneup"….

    And then I get a little further in the article and I read…"About 500,000 board feet will be harvested", "City is allowed to take up to 800,000 board feet" and "at least 1.4 million board feet will grow this year".

    So wait, that's like 1/3!

    I mean, if someone was saying "I'm going to take 1/3 of your money and investments", would you really be like "Oh, no problem, that's just a small fraction" or "Thanks for "tuning up" my bank account!"

    I see this is filed under "filed under Business, Environment, History, Humboldt State, News" Arcata version of foxnews?

    #68287
  7. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #63611
  8. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #63458
  9. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #63604
  10. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #67245
  11. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #67695
  12. [NOTE: Any time the word "harvest" is used to describe the cutting down of trees that are over 50, 60 or a hundred years old is an indicator of the pro-logging bias of the the author. Forests that are tens of thousands of years old, and trees that are hundreds of years old are not a crop or even a renewable resource as never in the history of the human race has a native primeval forest ever been liquidated and then replaced or renewed with another forest of like kind or better. To think otherwise is just a product of industry's indoctrination, propaganda and lies. Fiber farms and tree plantations will never become a forest. Shade and soil loss, extinctions are forever consequences. Dishonestly stripping the Earth of its forest cover for stuff and money is certainly not the act of an intelligent species concerned about future generations. However, it is an act of war. Where is the Natural Resource Capital Account? Where is the Depletion account? The Replacement Cost of Goods Sold account? The Honest and Fully-Costed Accounting and Economic analysis? What kind of people are we? TGH]

    #68288
  13. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #63613
  14. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #63459
  15. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #63606
  16. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #67249
  17. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #67699
  18. agreed. wish I could share the article and your comment…

    #68292
  19. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #63614
  20. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #63461
  21. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #63607
  22. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #67250
  23. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #67700
  24. Kevin Hoover

    The City of Arcata has an innovative forest management plan that attempts to demonstrate that logging can be done in a sustainable and environmentally sensitive manner.

    This model of a working forest is one which others with less scrupulous practices could adopt. Arcata's leadership is the reason so many foresters from elsewhere in the world so frequently tour our forests.

    For more information, attend one of the monthly Forest Management Committee meetings.

    http://www.cityofarcata.org/government/committees/forest-management

    #68293
  25. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #63615
  26. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #63467
  27. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #63608
  28. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #67251
  29. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #67701
  30. Just curious if everything is so great, why the need for propaganda riddled throughout the article, rather than just plain facts?

    Is not as bad as horrible really good? Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the propaganda being pushed wasn't so blatant.

    Kevin, is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?

    I'm also curious as to how much of the "fluff" was inserted by the news editor or was given to the paper by someone else, and why it's listed under "news" instead of opinion, as it's full of a lot of them.

    #68294
  31. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #63616
  32. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #63609
  33. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #63468
  34. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #67252
  35. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #67702
  36. Kevin Hoover

    I don't know what you mean by propaganda vs. facts. Perhaps you could offer examples. The things in the story are what I have learned and experienced.

    I can't make sense of this: "Seems to me taking 1/3 to over 1/2 of a years production of something that takes 1/2 a decade to even think about harvesting might not be as pretty as the article is very aggressivly leading us to think."

    If they're taking 500K of 1.4M board feet that grows annually, that's just over a third.

    "is it posted anywhere how much money is coming from these harvests and specifics of where that money is going from our community forest?"

    The story indicates that revenue is not yet known. It will go to the Forest Fund and, as the story says, improvements on the north side of the forest.

    Also, I am solely responsible for the content of the story.

    #68295
  37. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #63612
  38. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #63605
  39. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #63513
  40. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #67246
  41. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #67696
  42. David Owen

    People don't understand even basic math. If you take 1/3 of what grows each year, you add year after year. The foret gets thicker and thicker. We're not creating old growth. That was cut over 100 years ago

    #68289
  43. 1/3 of the Annual growth increment. The forest still grows older and accrues volume so 1/3 of the annual growth is not the same as 1/3 of the standing volume.

    #63637
  44. 1/3 of the Annual growth increment. The forest still grows older and accrues volume so 1/3 of the annual growth is not the same as 1/3 of the standing volume.

    #67247
  45. 1/3 of the Annual growth increment. The forest still grows older and accrues volume so 1/3 of the annual growth is not the same as 1/3 of the standing volume.

    #67697
  46. 1/3 of the Annual growth increment. The forest still grows older and accrues volume so 1/3 of the annual growth is not the same as 1/3 of the standing volume.

    #68290
  47. Matt Steele

    The kinds of selective logging practiced by many modern logging companies help the forest. The trees that are left are allowed to grow and fill in the gaps in the canopy. All you have to do is wander through the Arcata Community Forest to see the benefits of non-industrial selective logging. Most of those trees are not old-growth; younger stands need to be thinned to stay healthy.

    #63643
  48. Matt Steele

    The kinds of selective logging practiced by many modern logging companies help the forest. The trees that are left are allowed to grow and fill in the gaps in the canopy. All you have to do is wander through the Arcata Community Forest to see the benefits of non-industrial selective logging. Most of those trees are not old-growth; younger stands need to be thinned to stay healthy.

    #67248
  49. Matt Steele

    The kinds of selective logging practiced by many modern logging companies help the forest. The trees that are left are allowed to grow and fill in the gaps in the canopy. All you have to do is wander through the Arcata Community Forest to see the benefits of non-industrial selective logging. Most of those trees are not old-growth; younger stands need to be thinned to stay healthy.

    #67698
  50. Matt Steele

    The kinds of selective logging practiced by many modern logging companies help the forest. The trees that are left are allowed to grow and fill in the gaps in the canopy. All you have to do is wander through the Arcata Community Forest to see the benefits of non-industrial selective logging. Most of those trees are not old-growth; younger stands need to be thinned to stay healthy.

    #68291

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