Council Re-Elected, All Arcata Ballot Measures Pass – November 7, 2012

Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Northcoast Preparatory Academy’s international students, from Germany, Tanzania, Columbia and Thailand, plus visiting students from Sweden, gathered at the school’s Bayside Road Annex on election night for food, election returns and homework. The international students all favored the re-election of President Barack Obama, whom they believe is “more interested in the rest of the world.” Some expressed concern about challenger Mitt Romney making presidential policy which would negatively impact Europe based on his religious beliefs. KLH | Eye

Kevin L. Hoover

Eye Editor

ARCATA – Running unopposed, the dominant City Council paradigm of Mayor Michael Winkler, Vice Mayor Shane Brinton and Councilmember Susan Ornelas glided to victory last night.

Ornelas gained the most votes with 3,780; Winkler garnered 3,627; and Brinton 3,250. Some 382 write-in votes were received, though there were no recognized write-in candidates. Three would-be challengers to the three incumbents had failed to file sufficient nomination petitions, and didn’t pursue write-in candidacy.

Both Arcata School District (ASD) funding measures passed. E’s results were 3,811 to 1,118; F’s were 3,610 to 1,217.

Measure E will raise an estimated $1 million over five years by imposing a $49 parcel tax on roughly 5,200 parcels within the district.

Measure F will authorize the issuance of a $7 million school bond for the first time since 1998 – when the voters of Arcata voted to authorize a $5.4 million school bond under Measure C.

Together, the measures will allow the ASD to clear a backlog of deferred maintenance, hire teachers and keep class sizes down.

Measure H, the “Corps Ain’t Peeps” initiative championed by former City Councilmember Dave Meserve, won resoundingly with a 5,140 to 1,162 victory – a more than four to one margin. The measure seeks to amend the U.S. Constitution to state that corporations should not enjoy the rights of “natural persons,” and that money is not protected speech.

“We’re delighted with the mandate,” Meserve said. “We’re very happy to see people turning out to defend democracy. It sends a strong message. Our hope is that with this passing here in Arcata, other communities will adopt similar ordinances.”

Measure I, the excessive electricity tax, passed by a more than two-to-one margin, 4,287 to 1,930. Measure I will impose a 45 percent tax on excessively high residential electricity usage. The tax would be imposed only on residential usage which exceeds 600 percent over the established “baseline allowance.”

The measure is intended to deter use of residential homes as cannabis grow houses, and to help get Arcata back on track with its greenhouse gas reduction goals. Those goals have been thrown off track by the more than 600 Arcata homes consuming electricity far in excess of normal residential use.

“Yay,” said Councilmember Shane Brinton, who had championed the idea of an excessive energy tax as it made its way through the Energy Committee and then to the City Council. “My hope is that it will shut the large-scale grows down. But if they stay, at least they’ll be paying for some of the damage they’re causing. Either we’ll have safer neighborhoods, or additional revenue, or more likely, some combination of those.”

He, like Meserve with Measure H, hopes other communities will take heed of Arcata’s willingness to tackle thorny problems and succeed at the ballot box. Already, a similar excessive energy use tax is being discussed in Eureka and at the county level. Adoption in those jurisdictions would help negate concerns by residents elsewhere that Measure I will push residential cannabis growers out of Arcata and into their communities.

Brinton said Measure I’s passage affirmed traditional values of shared sacrifice for common good. “It occurred to me that Arcata is unlike other places in the country, in that they know  it’s in their self-interest to vote for tax measures that pay for local services,” he said.

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43 Responses to “Council Re-Elected, All Arcata Ballot Measures Pass – November 7, 2012”

  1. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #64538
  2. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #67001
  3. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #67010
  4. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #67017
  5. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #67515
  6. Just curious who was written in, and by how many each?

    #68020
  7. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #64541
  8. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #67006
  9. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #67015
  10. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #67022
  11. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #67520
  12. The real story is the thousands of "undervotes" in that City Council race — just look at those 5,140 votes for Measure H, versus a mere 3,250 votes for Brinton. Clearly a huge number of Arcata voters voiced their dissent by casting blank ballots in this non-contest; it's also very likely there was 'bullet voting' where voters didn't use one or two of their three votes too.

    #68025
  13. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #64547
  14. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #67002
  15. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #67011
  16. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #67018
  17. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #67516
  18. Anonymous

    Thank God measure I passed. I really think that the utility companies should profit more from all of their hard work and that the f'n weed growers need to be run out of Arcata once and for all. I know a couple PG & E employees and they don't get paid nearly enough fopr what they do. It's rediculous.

    It's enough already. This is Humboldt for God's sake. The economy should be based on logging not weed. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them and we can go back to the old days when we all used to be loggers doing pretty well. Crazy weed freaks. What a stupid drug. I can't believe that people like it. It's so dumb.

    Hopefully once these aholes get their next bill it'll be enough to make them move out of town.

    The only problem I can see is that with the given estimate of 600 houses in town being shut down completely due to the passage of measure I that the money spent by these morons will be spend somewhere else.

    I know a couple of these jerks and they spend like 60 or 70 grande per year here in Arcata. This one guy spends like a grande per month on sushi and local fish alone. And like another grande at Ace Hardware.

    I mean if you do the math if these jerks are spending fifty grande per year in town that's 600 houses times fifty grande. That's $42,000,000.00 per year of revenue put into the city of Arcata.

    Wow I wonder what Arcata will become after losing $42,000,000.00 per year plus the taxes that what 10 grow shops pay?

    I think that if we log the community forest (no one really uses it anyway except the bums) and most of the surrounding area and give us loggers our jobs back we can clear cut the whole area and hopefully replace the loss.

    Just as long as we run the f'n growers out of town I will be happy!

    #68021
  19. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #64553
  20. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #67003
  21. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #67012
  22. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #67019
  23. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #67517
  24. Ian Ray

    Not to introduce any buzzkill math into this tax equation, but… If you consider that the average single lamp can produce $2,000–$3,000 worth of cannabis while accruing a peak electric bill of $150–$200 per cycle, adding another $100 to that isn't going to be a disincentive for producing something worth thousands of dollars. The only practical method of discouraging people from growing something worth thousands of dollars is to make it not worth thousands of dollars. Cutting profits by 5% on something with an existing 400% markup won't do much of anything.

    The other issue I don't understand with Measure I is how much administrative overhead levying a special use tax on a few hundred households will incur compared to the tax revenues.

    #68022
  25. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #64577
  26. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #67004
  27. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #67013
  28. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #67020
  29. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #67518
  30. This is so much hate and hype against small time growers. I agree, get rid of the 9000+ wtt light plus grows. Good riddance to them!

    But this isn't about "industrial" grows. It's going to put a lot of us out of business and without a job and we only use 6, 000 watts total! That's NOT industrial people! That fits in a space not a lot bigger than many of your kitchens!

    The base line kilowatt hour for our area is 12 kWh per day in the summer and 13.6 for winter. And since I'm what Brinton would consider and evil industrial grower, I'll use myself as an example.

    First off, I had a professional electrician wire my garage. It's 100% electrical California code.

    Second, I make a living growing and I live in my house full time. I live just about month to month money wise. I have no retirement. I have no 401K or IRA or whatever. I have no health insurance and no dental (I pay for it out of pocket if I can, and when I can't I just live with the illness, probably to my future detriment. I have no assets at all. I am not on Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps or any other government welfare system. Growing keeps me off that system.

    So let's just get the myth that everyone who grows a little dope in their garage is stinking wealthy. We're not and we can't afford a 45% increase on our power bills.

    Third, let's talk about the carbon footprint. I don't drive to work everyday in Eureka, which is an 18+ mile round trip five days a week, or Fortuna or whatever. So please, deduct that carbon foot print from my very efficient PG&E footprint. Do you know how much carbon one mile creates driving a car? A lot. Most people who live in Arcata commute to work everyday.

    Fourth, I grow about 20-28lbs a year and since 2009, I haven’t seen any price over 2600, and that's if I'm lucky. I just let 9 lbs go (4 months of work) for 2200 a lb, for instance. So let's do this INDUSTRIAL grower's math.

    Net Yearly Income: 57, 400.00.
    Math: 24lbs at 2400.00 = 57, 400 per year (If I get that much, and let me tell you, it's farming folks. You never get what you expect.) So this would be an extremely good year. Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it, but don't get out the brandy and martini glasses yet. Far from it!

    Now let's do my yearly cost to grow pot:

    -Rent: 1500.00 mth / 18, 000 yr.

    -Power Avg mth: 1400.00 / 16, 800 yr.

    -Food: 300.00 mth / 3600.00 yr.

    -Clothing: 50.00 mth / 600 yr.

    -Car insurance: 50.00 mth / 600.00 yr.

    -Gas: 30.00 per mth / 360.00 yr.

    Total: 40, 0000 per year, rounded up (CASH!, before taxes!).

    NET INCOME: 17, 400 a year. This is my spendable income, before taxes!

    Last year I spent 30.00 month on a medical prescription, and no it wasn't pot. (I don't even smoke it.) I also paid 1000.00 for a dental crown, 250.00 for dental veneer, and 200.00 for health maintenance, plus another 200.00 for doctors visits. This varies by year, but the point is I was out more than 42K CASH just to make ends meet in one year—no vacation, no retirement fund, no whoopee cushions or “big screen tvs,” oh my, or even one of those wealthy snowboards!). No, I spend 95% of my time home.

    Fifth, I already pay taxes on my grow. I pay about 6, 000 a year. Yeah, that's right, that's what small business owners pay on 60K with write-offs.

    So my Net is really, for a great year: 11, 400.00.

    Now let's tack on another 45% for my 1200.00+ per month utility bill. Now we have minus another 6, 000.00 per year. (I am assuming that when you go over 600% of baseline, your entire bill incurs the tax. If the tax is only for the power you use OVER the 600% baseline, then this would be pretty much a wash for me. I may incur a few hundred dollars a year.)

    New NET (again for a great year): 5, 400.00.

    Approximately—for a whole year. This is my entire yearly worth after expenses and does not account for medical or extra dental, car problems, or anything else that might and will spring up. This is what Brinton means by “those who can afford it?”.

    Sixth, what does a large grow mean to Brinton and others who support this? Again, let's do some math so we can get to some facts.

    Arcata's new tax kicks in at 600% above baseline, which is 2160 kWh a month in the summer, or 12kWh per day x600%, divided by 30 days, which is 72 kWh a day maximum.

    A space heater rated at 1000 watts (1 kilowatt), operating for one hour uses one kilowatt hour! You only have 78 of those until you break your daily allowance set by Big Brother. And after 78 kWh a day, you are considered an “INDUSTRIAL” grower (use reverb and evil voice)! So what does an industrial grower look like? Like this:

    1000 wts for one hour = 1 kWh.
    1000 wts for 12 hours equals 12 kWh per day (Flowering takes 12 hours a day.)
    6000 wts for 12 hours equals 72 kWh per day.

    Really? A little over 6000 watts is considered an INDUSTRIAL grow? Come on people. That's only 20-28 lbs a year give or take a few lbs. My entire grow fits into 245 sq feet. That's INDUSTRIAL? That's the size of a lot of your kitchens!

    So an industrial grow is anything over a 6, 000 watt system 12 hours a day.

    You now what? I'm pretty much ok with that as long as the tax is for the power I use OVER 600% of baseline. That would be fine because anyone using more than 6 -8000 watts is trying to grab more than their fair share of the pie. And they contribute to falling pot prices too. So a 9 light operation would incur the 600% tax on the additional 3000 wts. Sure, I'm down with that. It's a fair tax then, even though 6000 watts you're not making money—you're surviving.

    On the other hand, if when you go over 600% you get taxed 45% for your entire bill—well, that effectively puts 98% of all indoor growing for a living out of business, as I have demonstrated above, because you must grow around 20-25 lbs a year just to pay your rent and power before the new tax.

    What happens if that does happen? Could it be that if those people do stop growing in the area that the city might see a decrease in revenue? Find out how much money indoor growers actually spend in Arcata and then deduct that much from revenues and you might get the idea that revenue could drop because of this tax. That's money not being spent on the Arcata Eye, APD and so on too. Talk about shooting yourself in the face to spite your nose.

    Also, look for people stealing power. That will happen. I hope PG&E has a means of tracing that usage which bypasses the meter entirely. I know a fair amount of people who have been stealing power who live in the valley where their air conditioning bill in the summer is 1000+ a month, and they can't afford it, really cannot afford it. When it gets to over 110 where they live, what can you do? It's a health hazard not having it. The point is that they have been doing this for 30 years and not been caught.

    One last thing. I'm a model neighbor. I watch my neighbors houses. I rarely have company and am quite. I keep my house up and even do free work for the landlord—who bought the house at the very top of the inflated housing market and got screwed. I shop locally exclusively unless local doesn't have what I need. I support organic farmers by buying as much organic as I can afford. When I do eat out, which is rare, I eat at local businesses.

    Dammit, we're not all bad people who care nothing about the local culture and society! We moved here because we were tired of main street USA and we love this area. Please stop hating us and forcing us out of our way to make a living. We're not “INDUSTRIAL” and we don't support grow houses for purely growing. Don't discard us just to punish the few who are selfish and bad neighbors.

    #68023
  31. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #64622
  32. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #67005
  33. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #67014
  34. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #67021
  35. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #67519
  36. Arcata will be a ghost town in 10 yrs without the pot money in town. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mark my words.

    #68024
  37. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #64624
  38. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #67007
  39. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #67016
  40. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #67023
  41. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #67521
  42. Kevin Hoover

    You mean like it was before the grow houses took over?

    #68026
  43. Jacklin, you’re atypical. Were all the grow housers thoughtful and conscientious like you, there probably wouldn’t have been a backlash.

    #64623

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