Kevin Hoover: No More Tyranny Of The Smoking Minority

Saturday, July 20, 2013

Imagine that you could quantify – maybe using a 10-scale – the  pleasure from smoking downtown, and from breathing clean air in public. In determining which group – smokers or non – gets its way with the smoking laws, you could just compare the two and go with the higher number.

Let’s say the amount of pleasure one gets from smoking downtown is equivalent to the displeasure a non-smoker experiences getting pelted with cigarette smoke.

There are fewer smokers than non-smokers these days. In 2011, only 19 percent of the adult populace smoked (CDC). It’s less now. Lots of Plaza users are children, so that further diminishes the proportion of people out there who smoke.

So right away, even if the individual pleasure/displeasure measure is the same, there are still at least four times as many people experiencing displeasure as pleasure.

Add the negative health impacts and resulting burden on society, negative environmental impacts (the smoke and butts), plus the quality of life being stunk up for children and non-smokers, and smoking decisively loses.

All the “leave me alone” arguments smokers make also apply to the non-smokers, who want to be left alone to breathe Arcata’s naturally clean air.

The smokers are introducing the conflict with their impactive habit. It is they who have to take responsibility, and Arcata’s new anti-smoking law makes those responsibilities clear.

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76 Responses to “Kevin Hoover: No More Tyranny Of The Smoking Minority”

  1. Kevin Hoover You might also ask why the EPA only looked at 30 studies, when there were actually 75 from 1981 to 1992 for them to examine. See: http://www.nycclash.com/Philly.html#ETSTable

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  2. Uma Kirk

    Hypocritical ACS, AHA, ALA oppose Ohio bill to ban e-cigarette sales to minors, want to overtax the lifesaving products instead.

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  3. Uma Kirk

    Michael J. McFadden … but what about the "vapor" ? :D

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  4. Kevin Hoover

    Michael J. McFadden The EPA has links to supporting studies. You can do your own research. Bottom line here in the real world is, fresh air is again legal and available to everyone in downtown Arcata.

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  5. Maybe, the enlightened citizens of Arcata will lead the world, and abstain from using Roundup. It would be good.

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  6. Kevin Hoover So you're saying you stand solidly behind every single statement the EPA made in its report AND solidly behind every piece of research cited and are willing to defend them or admit that they are indefensible. You *DO* realize I was offering you the BEST possible deal: to find a SINGLE piece of research that would back you up so that you couldn't accuse me of picking something that was defective. Instead you are claiming that EVERY piece of research in that Report backs up your contention that the levels of smoke in well ventilated workplaces and outdoor areas has been shown conclusively to be significantly harmful to people.

    Do you realize how idiotic that is? All I'd have to do is pick a single piece of research that concentrates on high level exposures and you'd have lost your case.

    The ONLY reason for you to make such an offer that I can see is that you have simply not been able to find a study that supports you. But… I'll offer you one last benefit of the doubt Kevin: Show the people here your VERY BEST. Pick your BEST study showing such effects at such levels and defend it.

    Why do you find that so hard to do? Don't any exist?

    - MJM

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  7. Kevin Hoover Oh, two other quick points. "fresh air is again legal and available to everyone in downtown Arcata"? (1) When was it illegal? and (2) How is it available to the person walking down the sidewalk next to petrol spewing automobiles? Or has Arcata outlawed those as well?

    - MJM

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  8. Kevin Hoover

    Michael J. McFadden Meh. I shant rise to your challenge. The truth is, I've lost interest. We have a law that protects people now, so why should I spend any energy defending it? Thanks for representing your point of view so vigorously, though.

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  9. Kevin Hoover wrote, " I shant rise to your challenge. The truth is, I've lost interest" LOL! Kevin, do you *really* think anyone reading this thread is going to believe just happened to suddenly lose interest at the point when you were finally pinned down to cite even a single true scientific study that would support your contention?

    - MJM

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  10. Kevin Hoover

    Michael J. McFadden I see your point, No, I don't suppose they would. It looks like you have exposed me and this fascistic law for the frauds that we are.

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  11. Uma Kirk

    Here, read for yourself. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/07/22/e-cigarette-bill-called-trojan-horse.html (eCig bill called a Trojan Horse) lolololololol

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  12. Uma Kirk

    The study, by Prof. Igor Burstyn, Drexel University School of Public Health, is available at the Drexel website, here (pdf). Burstyn reviewed all of the available chemistry on e-cigarette vapor and liquid and found that the levels reported — even in those studies that were hyped as showing there is a danger — are well below the level that is of concern.
    And that assessment applies to the vaper himself. The exposure to bystanders is orders of magnitude less and of no concern at all.

    For more read here: http://antithrlies.com/2013/08/09/a-really-good-day-for-thr-navel-gazing/.

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  13. Uma Kirk

    Study confirms that chemicals in eCigs pose minimum health risks to vapers, and even less to bystanders. (if that's possible). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/casaa-new-study-confirms-that-chemicals-in-electronic-cigarettes-pose-minimal-health-risk-218843731.html

    Why is Arcata banning vaping?

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  14. Uma Kirk

    Please OPPOSE Bill SB-648 on August 14 agenda. (Corbett)
    If enacted, bill SB-648 would:
    Ban the use of vapor products wherever smoking is banned. Among those provisions most likely to impact users are those that would:

    Ban e-cigarette use in virtually all workplaces in California, including in hospitals. Violations would be punishable by fines of $100, $200, and $500. (Section 12)
    Ban e-cigarette use inside or within 20 feet of any public building or in a vehicle owned by the state. (Section 4)
    Declares that the use of electronic cigarettes “may be a hazard to the health of the general public,” and would include e-cigarettes in all future smoking bans passed in California. (Section 11)
    Ban e-cigarette use in railroads and air carriers. (Section 13)

    Write, Fax, CALL, Meet with, your representatives ASAP. Lives depend on us. OPPOSE SB-648

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  15. Who cares? What a pointless thing to get all jibbered up about.

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  16. Uma Kirk

    Carl Phillips dissects Stanton Glantz's arguments. (Glantz is the speaker/leader/president of the no-smoke orgs that Senators like Corbett, and towns like Arcata blindly follow.). http://antithrlies.com/2013/08/11/glantz-vs-burstyn-hardly-a-fair-fight/

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  17. Uma Kirk

    Thank you to everybody who took the time to oppose bill sb-648. Due to lack of support, Senator Corbett withdrew the bill an hour before the scheduled meeting!
    CASAA.org reminds us to stay alert to her next reWrting and sneaky attempts to ban vaporizers. Expect Corbett & Glantz to re-write yet another ludicrous attempt between January and August of 2014.

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  18. Kevin Hoover

    What a great leap forward for humankind. This surely rivals penicillin, the polio vaccine, the moon landings and the mapping of the human genome in terms of advancing civilization.

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  19. Uma Kirk

    "Nothing can be more abhorrent to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization." Winston Churchill.

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  20. Kevin Hoover

    Uma Kirk Civilization hinges on e-cigs. Who knew?

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  21. Uma Kirk

    “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

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  22. There doesn’t appear to be any basis for that fear in this instance.

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  23. I have seen a person ticketed by APD for smoking on the square.

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  24. Kevin Hoover

    Uma Kirk There doesn't appear to be any basis for that fear in this instance.

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  25. We exist around automobiles and pollution on a daily basis, infrequent second hand smoke is not going to impact your health alone. However, people should also be considerate to where they're smoking as well.
    The title to this article portrays the entitled mentality that anti-smokers generally exhibit and that's what gets me(Tyranny? Oh Kevin..). Like Uma Kirk said, we're all taxpayers here.

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